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-Date is 2010-04-13, times are UTC+02.

-{{{

-22:55 <alanc> Good afternoon.   Meeting should begin in about 5 minutes

-22:56 <+mherrb> Hi

-23:01 <+emmes> heho

-23:01 <marcheu> hmm, we have 3 Soc slots :(

-23:02 <alanc> seems to be around the typical number - I think we usually have 3-4 slots for 10-12 applicants

-23:03 <marcheu> alanc: usually 4-5

-23:03 <+Bart_Massey> Minute or two late; sorry.

-23:03 <alanc> okay, was about to say Bart might remember better how many GSoC slots we had in the past

-23:03 <+Bart_Massey> It has varied widely.

-23:03 <+Bart_Massey> Sometimes just two or three.  Sometimes as many as 7?

-23:04 <+Bart_Massey> Do we know what we've got this year yet?

-23:04 <marcheu> nope, we had 4/5/2/4

-23:04 <marcheu> this year we're at 3

-23:04 <+Bart_Massey> OK, you knew the answer :-)

-23:04 <dberkholz> hi there

-23:04 <marcheu> hopefully we get a 4th in the process

-23:05 <alanc> did anyone get the mail I sent yesterday to board & members with the pointer to the summary of last meeting and reminder for today?

-23:05 <dberkholz> gentoo may or may not have some extra slottage it could slide toward xorg

-23:05 <+mherrb> alanc: no I didn't get it afaict.

-23:05 <dberkholz> let me know how many projects xorg can't live without

-23:05 <dberkholz> alanc: no, i didn't get it. i just saw you link it on irc

-23:05 <alanc> I seem to be unable to send to those lists or receive mail from it since my address changed - haven't been getting notices that they'

-re stuck in the moderation queues either

-23:06 <agd5f> alanc: I don't recall seeing it

-23:06 <alanc> guess I'll poke the sitewranglers later

-23:07 <alanc> I didn't make any progress on my action of talking to the lawyers (or talking to Bart to get their contact info) - I don't see any ot

-her outstanding actions from the last meeting

-23:08 <agd5f> well, we can always do evoc for good applicants beyond 3

-23:08 <marcheu> agd5f: yup, but I'll ask for additional slots first. you can ask to be put on the waiting line so I'll do that

-23:09 <agd5f> I'd like to finalize who we want as our new tech and admin contacts for x.org

-23:09 <agd5f> domain stuff

-23:10 <+Bart_Massey> Sorry, AFK.  Yes, EVoC is a fine backup.  PSU may have slots for you too; it looks like we may get more than we really need if

- all goes well.

-23:10 <marcheu> Bart_Massey: you cannot transfer from an org to another directly though

-23:10 <+Bart_Massey> agd5f I *think* we want SFLC for admin.  Technical matters less, because the admin can change it, I think.

-23:11 <dberkholz> marcheu: in my experience, you can tell google where you want extra slots to go and they will respect it

-23:11 <+Bart_Massey> marcheu: No, but if we ask nicely in the past they've always said yes. :-)

-23:11 <agd5f> Matt suggested SFLC for the admin contact.  is there a person we want or a generic address?  as for the tech contact, is sitewrangers

-@freedesktop.org appropriate or do we want a specific person?

-23:11 <+Bart_Massey> agd5f: Generic would be best.  I think they'll want a tech contact physical address, so I don't know how to do sitewranglers.

-23:12 <agd5f> Bart_Massey: maybe the hosting address?

-23:12 <alanc> do we still have a PO Box in portland?

-23:12 <+Bart_Massey> agd5f: If they will surely forward our physical mail.

-23:12 <+Bart_Massey> alanc: I don't think so.  keithp?

-23:13 <alanc> hrm, http://www.x.org/wiki/XorgFoundation lists one as our contact address

-23:13  * Bart_Massey s/surely/reliably/ :-(

-23:13 <+mherrb> afaict the dns stuff is hosted on expo. someone with root on expo should be tech c.

-23:13 <+keithp> alanc: our PO box expired; we hadn't received any mail there for over a year

-23:13 <+keithp> so I didn't renew it. I didn't realize it was listed as a contact address

-23:13 <+Bart_Massey> mherrb: For sure.  It would be nice to have a role rather than an individual, though.

-23:13 <alanc> I think the root on expo has a high overlap with sitewranglers

-23:13 <+Bart_Massey> keithp: I don't think it is right now.

-23:14 <alanc> we can remove it from the wiki page easily

-23:14 <+keithp> alanc: probably a good idea

-23:14 <alanc> Done

-23:14 <+Bart_Massey> I forget why we don't just hire a mail-forwarding agent?

-23:14 <alanc> http://www.x.org/wiki/XorgFoundation?action=diff

-23:15 <+Bart_Massey> It seems ideal for us...

-23:16 <dberkholz> there's a startup headquartered in portland that will open and scan all your mail

-23:16 <dberkholz> or forward it, if desired

-23:17 <+Bart_Massey> Yes, Earth-Class Mail

-23:17 <+Bart_Massey> I know the owner pretty well...

-23:17 <+Bart_Massey> Their plan is to use robots, but I think right now they just hire people. :-)

-23:18 <+Bart_Massey> But I was thinking just a Mailboxes-etc type place that would give us a PO Box and throw everything in a big mailing envelope

-once in a while and mail it to Alan's house.

-23:20 <alanc> if we actually got mail, that would seem reasonable, and better able to cope with the secretary changing every year or two

-23:21 <agd5f> seems like a good plan

-23:21 <alanc> so going back to the original question: did we decide on who the domain contacts should be?  sitewranglers@fd.o for admin?

-23:21 <+Bart_Massey> No, sflc for admin

-23:21 <+Bart_Massey> sitewranglers for tech

-23:22 <+mherrb> if you look at fd.o they have generic fd.o LLC for both admin and thec

-23:22 <+Bart_Massey> Get a PO box to give as a physical addr f

-23:22 <+Bart_Massey> or sitewranglers

-23:22 <agd5f> so for sflc, what email should we use?

-23:22 <alanc> right, I was thinking sysadmin, meant tech

-23:22 <+Bart_Massey> agd5f: Their office, presumably

-23:22 <+Bart_Massey> Ask them.

-23:23 <alanc> freedesktop.org whois gives a paper mail address for them of 7615 SW 59th Ave, Portland, OR - wonder who that actually is

-23:23 <+Bart_Massey> :-)

-23:23 <agd5f> ok. will do.  I just wanted to make sure there wasn't someone there that we are currently working with that we wanted to use

-23:23 <+Bart_Massey> Talk to Karen Sandler

-23:24 <+Bart_Massey> She's our contact person at SFLC.

-23:24 <+Bart_Massey> She will tell you what to do, I think.

-23:24 <agd5f> Bart_Massey: Can you email me her contact info?

-23:24 <+Bart_Massey> Working.

-23:25 <+Bart_Massey> agd5f: Now I just need *your* contact info and I'm set. :-)

-23:25 <+Bart_Massey> Just a sec.

-23:27 <+Bart_Massey> OK.  Anything else today?

-23:27 <alanc> The one piece of news I have to report is that I've been informed Hideki Hiura passed away last week.   Most of you probably don't re

-member him, but he was one of the original Xlib Input Method framework authors for X11R6, and one of the founders/chairs of openi18n.org/li18nux.or

-g with the FSG.

-23:28 <+Bart_Massey> How sad.  Can you send condolences someplace appropriate on behalf of the Board?

-23:28 <alanc> I have e-mail for his wife I can send a note to

-23:29 <+emmes> Yes, I think that would be appropriate.

-23:29 <+mherrb> sure.

-23:29 <agd5f> yes

-23:29 <dberkholz> it would be really nice to send a physical card

-23:29 <+Bart_Massey> Thanks!

-23:30 <+Bart_Massey> Move to adjourn

-23:30 <agd5f> seconded

-23:30 <+keithp> ta ta

-23:30 <+Bart_Massey> alanc: ?

-23:31 <alanc> sounds like we're adjourned to me

-23:31 <+Bart_Massey> Thanks all!

-23:31 <+emmes> nothing from my side

-23:31 <alanc> I've got that all the members except anholt were in attendance

-}}}

+
+Date is 2010-04-13, times are UTC+02. 
+[[!format txt """
+22:55 <alanc> Good afternoon.   Meeting should begin in about 5 minutes
+22:56 <+mherrb> Hi
+23:01 <+emmes> heho
+23:01 <marcheu> hmm, we have 3 Soc slots :(
+23:02 <alanc> seems to be around the typical number - I think we usually have 3-4 slots for 10-12 applicants
+23:03 <marcheu> alanc: usually 4-5
+23:03 <+Bart_Massey> Minute or two late; sorry.
+23:03 <alanc> okay, was about to say Bart might remember better how many GSoC slots we had in the past
+23:03 <+Bart_Massey> It has varied widely.
+23:03 <+Bart_Massey> Sometimes just two or three.  Sometimes as many as 7?
+23:04 <+Bart_Massey> Do we know what we've got this year yet?
+23:04 <marcheu> nope, we had 4/5/2/4
+23:04 <marcheu> this year we're at 3
+23:04 <+Bart_Massey> OK, you knew the answer :-)
+23:04 <dberkholz> hi there
+23:04 <marcheu> hopefully we get a 4th in the process
+23:05 <alanc> did anyone get the mail I sent yesterday to board & members with the pointer to the summary of last meeting and reminder for today?
+23:05 <dberkholz> gentoo may or may not have some extra slottage it could slide toward xorg
+23:05 <+mherrb> alanc: no I didn't get it afaict.
+23:05 <dberkholz> let me know how many projects xorg can't live without
+23:05 <dberkholz> alanc: no, i didn't get it. i just saw you link it on irc
+23:05 <alanc> I seem to be unable to send to those lists or receive mail from it since my address changed - haven't been getting notices that they'
+re stuck in the moderation queues either
+23:06 <agd5f> alanc: I don't recall seeing it
+23:06 <alanc> guess I'll poke the sitewranglers later
+23:07 <alanc> I didn't make any progress on my action of talking to the lawyers (or talking to Bart to get their contact info) - I don't see any ot
+her outstanding actions from the last meeting
+23:08 <agd5f> well, we can always do evoc for good applicants beyond 3
+23:08 <marcheu> agd5f: yup, but I'll ask for additional slots first. you can ask to be put on the waiting line so I'll do that
+23:09 <agd5f> I'd like to finalize who we want as our new tech and admin contacts for x.org
+23:09 <agd5f> domain stuff
+23:10 <+Bart_Massey> Sorry, AFK.  Yes, EVoC is a fine backup.  PSU may have slots for you too; it looks like we may get more than we really need if
+ all goes well.
+23:10 <marcheu> Bart_Massey: you cannot transfer from an org to another directly though
+23:10 <+Bart_Massey> agd5f I *think* we want SFLC for admin.  Technical matters less, because the admin can change it, I think.
+23:11 <dberkholz> marcheu: in my experience, you can tell google where you want extra slots to go and they will respect it
+23:11 <+Bart_Massey> marcheu: No, but if we ask nicely in the past they've always said yes. :-)
+23:11 <agd5f> Matt suggested SFLC for the admin contact.  is there a person we want or a generic address?  as for the tech contact, is sitewrangers
+@freedesktop.org appropriate or do we want a specific person?
+23:11 <+Bart_Massey> agd5f: Generic would be best.  I think they'll want a tech contact physical address, so I don't know how to do sitewranglers.
+23:12 <agd5f> Bart_Massey: maybe the hosting address?
+23:12 <alanc> do we still have a PO Box in portland?
+23:12 <+Bart_Massey> agd5f: If they will surely forward our physical mail.
+23:12 <+Bart_Massey> alanc: I don't think so.  keithp?
+23:13 <alanc> hrm, http://www.x.org/wiki/XorgFoundation lists one as our contact address
+23:13  * Bart_Massey s/surely/reliably/ :-(
+23:13 <+mherrb> afaict the dns stuff is hosted on expo. someone with root on expo should be tech c.
+23:13 <+keithp> alanc: our PO box expired; we hadn't received any mail there for over a year
+23:13 <+keithp> so I didn't renew it. I didn't realize it was listed as a contact address
+23:13 <+Bart_Massey> mherrb: For sure.  It would be nice to have a role rather than an individual, though.
+23:13 <alanc> I think the root on expo has a high overlap with sitewranglers
+23:13 <+Bart_Massey> keithp: I don't think it is right now.
+23:14 <alanc> we can remove it from the wiki page easily
+23:14 <+keithp> alanc: probably a good idea
+23:14 <alanc> Done
+23:14 <+Bart_Massey> I forget why we don't just hire a mail-forwarding agent?
+23:14 <alanc> http://www.x.org/wiki/XorgFoundation?action=diff
+23:15 <+Bart_Massey> It seems ideal for us...
+23:16 <dberkholz> there's a startup headquartered in portland that will open and scan all your mail
+23:16 <dberkholz> or forward it, if desired
+23:17 <+Bart_Massey> Yes, Earth-Class Mail
+23:17 <+Bart_Massey> I know the owner pretty well...
+23:17 <+Bart_Massey> Their plan is to use robots, but I think right now they just hire people. :-)
+23:18 <+Bart_Massey> But I was thinking just a Mailboxes-etc type place that would give us a PO Box and throw everything in a big mailing envelope
+once in a while and mail it to Alan's house.
+23:20 <alanc> if we actually got mail, that would seem reasonable, and better able to cope with the secretary changing every year or two
+23:21 <agd5f> seems like a good plan
+23:21 <alanc> so going back to the original question: did we decide on who the domain contacts should be?  sitewranglers@fd.o for admin?
+23:21 <+Bart_Massey> No, sflc for admin
+23:21 <+Bart_Massey> sitewranglers for tech
+23:22 <+mherrb> if you look at fd.o they have generic fd.o LLC for both admin and thec
+23:22 <+Bart_Massey> Get a PO box to give as a physical addr f
+23:22 <+Bart_Massey> or sitewranglers
+23:22 <agd5f> so for sflc, what email should we use?
+23:22 <alanc> right, I was thinking sysadmin, meant tech
+23:22 <+Bart_Massey> agd5f: Their office, presumably
+23:22 <+Bart_Massey> Ask them.
+23:23 <alanc> freedesktop.org whois gives a paper mail address for them of 7615 SW 59th Ave, Portland, OR - wonder who that actually is
+23:23 <+Bart_Massey> :-)
+23:23 <agd5f> ok. will do.  I just wanted to make sure there wasn't someone there that we are currently working with that we wanted to use
+23:23 <+Bart_Massey> Talk to Karen Sandler
+23:24 <+Bart_Massey> She's our contact person at SFLC.
+23:24 <+Bart_Massey> She will tell you what to do, I think.
+23:24 <agd5f> Bart_Massey: Can you email me her contact info?
+23:24 <+Bart_Massey> Working.
+23:25 <+Bart_Massey> agd5f: Now I just need *your* contact info and I'm set. :-)
+23:25 <+Bart_Massey> Just a sec.
+23:27 <+Bart_Massey> OK.  Anything else today?
+23:27 <alanc> The one piece of news I have to report is that I've been informed Hideki Hiura passed away last week.   Most of you probably don't re
+member him, but he was one of the original Xlib Input Method framework authors for X11R6, and one of the founders/chairs of openi18n.org/li18nux.or
+g with the FSG.
+23:28 <+Bart_Massey> How sad.  Can you send condolences someplace appropriate on behalf of the Board?
+23:28 <alanc> I have e-mail for his wife I can send a note to
+23:29 <+emmes> Yes, I think that would be appropriate.
+23:29 <+mherrb> sure.
+23:29 <agd5f> yes
+23:29 <dberkholz> it would be really nice to send a physical card
+23:29 <+Bart_Massey> Thanks!
+23:30 <+Bart_Massey> Move to adjourn
+23:30 <agd5f> seconded
+23:30 <+keithp> ta ta
+23:30 <+Bart_Massey> alanc: ?
+23:31 <alanc> sounds like we're adjourned to me
+23:31 <+Bart_Massey> Thanks all!
+23:31 <+emmes> nothing from my side
+23:31 <alanc> I've got that all the members except anholt were in attendance
+"""]]
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